Table of Weights & Dimensions of Rail

Page 2

There was some talk on the Proto48 Yahoo board today about rail sizes and widths. I picked up a document put out by the AT&SF Railroad a while ago. I thought I’d scan it tonight and post it to add to the discussion. Above is page 2 of the document below is a link to the scan in a PDF file.

Table of Weights & Dimensions of Rail

It contains the dimensions and sizes of rail made by Illinois Steel Company, Carnegie Steel Company, Pennsylvania Steel Company, Bethlehem Steel Company, Lackawanna Steel Company, Cambria Steel Company Colorado Fuel & Iron Company and Dominion Iron & Steel Company. There is no date on this document.

One of the things I found interesting was that a number of the different manufacturers had different sizes to the rail even though they are the same weight.

More Questions Answered

RCT&HS-2760
Detail of the Main Line 89.25 Quarter Mile map which starts just West of the grade crossing in Schuylkill Haven.

I had the pleasure this week of spending a day off from work at the Reading Railroad Heritage Museum. I went looking for answers to some questions as always. Some of the questions have been answered, most of the answers just spark more questions. I’m glad research of the prototype is one of the things I enjoy in the hobby, your mileage may vary.

If you have read this blog for a while, you know, to say I’ve had trouble picking a location to model is an understatement. O scale offers the modeler a chance to see the details they are adding to their models, but is also requires a different approach to modeling on the layout then some of the smaller scales offer.

I’ve had to work through the ideas that were influenced by the smaller scales. I’m now fully embracing the idea that you need to be closer to the models with O scale and that some of the towns in my modeling area, no matter how interesting, are either just too big for my space or require too much compression to fit into the space I have to model within.

RCT&HS-2821
Detail of map showing grade crossing on Union St. East end of Freight house shown.

This Spring, I started looking at Schuylkill Haven. It is still in my area but it is over on the “mainline.” I had some questions about the track arrangements in town. These are now answered. I had questions about the freight house and station area, these too are now answered. So now it’s time to get back to the benchwork and the layout.

RCT&HS-2939
Drawing of freight house in Schuylkill Haven, PA.

Standard Boxcars? Over represented?

 

Model manufacturers love the “Standard” Boxcars. We have commercial models of the USRA Single Sheathed, the 1937 AAR, and the Pullman Standard PS-1. The reason is easy, build one model and paint it in all the roads that owned them. This gives them a great chance to recover their investment in die work for the models. The trouble for us modelers is that it’s easy to have some car types over represented in our freight car fleets. It was worse back when there were fewer models but it still can get out of control fast.

There have been a number of articles and books published about the different “Standard” car types. I decided to do a little exercise the other day. I pulled out the different lists and began to plot the roads that had each of the “Standard” car types. Then I dug out my 52 ORER and found out how many total boxcars the roads that received the “Standard” cars had. That was a total of 769,711.

The total for the number of  “Standard” cars on the roster was  278,979 or 38% of the total cars on those roads. I cut off the PS-1 build numbers at August of 1952 which is when I’m modeling. These totals did not include any 50 foot cars or automobile cars of 40′ or 50′ length. That will be another post.

What does that really mean? If you believe that the free roaming cars like boxcars, flat cars and gondolas will be proportional to the number of actual cars on the prototype rosters (except for home road cars), then a little more than a third of the boxcars on your railroad should be of the “Standard” cars. The other two-thirds of your boxcar fleet should be the automobile cars, the 50′ cars and the railroad designed cars, like the B&O wagon tops, or the Milwaukee Welded Ribbed cars.

If you were going to build 100 boxcars, the thought would be 38 of the cars would be of one of the “Standard” cars. The other 62 cars would be made up of the automobile cars, railroad designed cars and the 50 foot cars.

Now as far as what roads they should be, I believe that the roads that had the most cars of a type are the most likely to be seen based on the proportions, but that talk is for another time.

USRA SS
9756
2
USRA DS
5215
1
23 ARA
66,125
9
32 ARA
11,854
2
37 AAR
60,077
8
37 AAR mod
41,094
5
War Emergency Boxcars
5342
1
44 AAR
34,065
4
PS-1
46,271
6
Totals from the 1/52 ORER
279,079
38

A Nice Little Vacation

My wife and I just stepped away for a really nice little vacation in the Finger Lakes area of New York. We stayed in Watkins Glen, NY. Turns out our hotel room overlooked the old Northern Central/PRR line through town. This was part of the Elmira Branch above Elmira. I had studied the line from Elmira to Williamsport, PA with the idea of modeling it. I never did start the layout. I just could not put enough Reading into the layout.

The first day a Finger Lakes Railway local came right past our hotel. We didn’t see any other movement on the line the rest of our time there.

On the ride up we stopped at the Red Rose Diner in Towanda, PA. The service and the food was nice.

I did see a couple of station survivors while exploring the area. The upper image is from Montour Falls, NY also on the Elmira Branch. It’s now a doctor’s office.

The second station is from Hammonsport, NY and it is now a police station.

Just as you get into town in Watkins Glen the is the Millionaires’ row of campers/trailers. They looked nice but the locals were not too friendly.

Now that I’m relaxed from the nice vacation, it’s time to get back to the benchwork.

Regurgitated Information – The Opposite of Research

The Baldwin drawing for the walkways over the radiator openings on the AS-16’s

How many times have you heard a modeler spew something about a model, that you know to be dead wrong? And you know darn-right well they have not researched it at all, they are just regurgitating something they heard another modeler say. Did that person look at what they were talking about or did they just spit out what they were told? And once it has been repeated often enough, everyone believes it.

One of the reasons I moved some of my modeling interests away from the PRR was the number of times I heard guys comment about the Sunset H-9’s. They all said the same thing about the belpair slope. Did anybody question what research the first guy who said that looked at to make such a statement? Most guys have pointed to the line diagrams of the class. Well these drawing while they are railroad drawings are not accurate for boiler shape. Did anybody research it on their own? Did anybody look at it against photos? Nope they all regurgitate it on que, just like Pavlov’s dogs.

What I have found is that most people that tend to do this have NEVER done any research on their own. I’m not talking about opening a Morning Sun book and believing the fiction that is their captions. I’m talking about assembling a pile of photos (with dates) and looking for the details and when they change.  I’m talking about digging through company records at a museum or a private collection. I’m talking about actually going out and measuring a freight car or a real building. I spent most of a day measuring and photographing the PRR GLe I found in South Amboy back in the early eighties. Or even just doing a full photo study of a car with a hundred or so images not just the three normal images in a photo study; the Three Quarter, the End View and the Broadside.

Even the best authors can miss things. Case in point, one of the Reading Myths, the after-coolers on the FT’s were put on during a shopping in 1956. In a recently published book, on page 111 that statement was printed, there was a photo on the bottom of page 112 with a 1950 date with the aftercoolers on the locomotive skirts. I first thought maybe there was a typo with the date. But most likely not, as the hand grabs were still black and the safety grabs over the windshields and on the nose are not there.  Also on page 110 there was a 1954 photo with the after-coolers also.

Just because it is published does not always mean that it actually was!

So either accept what the manufacturers produce and say is right, “nobody will see it anyway” or get off you ass and do some research.

Good prototype modeling starts with good prototype information.

Prototype: Reading Tank Car in West Milton

Broadside of the Reading Tank Car in West Milton, PA

Reading Tank Car in West Milton, PA

Here ar two views of  a Reading Tank Car I found in West Milton, PA back in the early 1980’s. I don’t remember too much from the day other than the conical rivets that this tank had.
 
I’m not 100% sure of the car number or class of the car. It is different than the color image that Bob’s Photos sells of a class TMd #90964. That car has pipe fittings for the 90 degree bend in the handrail. This car has a much broarder curved pipe. Car #90964 is stenciled “BLT 6-40” which place this on a flat car that was converted from a box car in 1940.
 
I did shoot some detail of a round house and scale building that day. I’ll post them when I get them scanned.

Pullman PS-1 40 Ft Boxcars in 1952

lv-62000

Pullman Standard introduced its PS-1 boxcar in the late 1947. There are a number of articles about the PS-1’s in the Hobby press. I’m not going to restate everything that has been written about this design of cars.

Ed Hawkins and Ted Culotta compiled a list of all the PS-1’s built. The complete list of Pullman PS-1 boxcars can be found on the Steam Era Freight Car Website.

Below is a modified version of their information sorted by the build-date of the cars built before my modeling period, the Summer of 1952.

Pullman Standard built a total of 77,570 cars, but by 7/52 only 46,847 had been built. These are the only cars that existed and could have been seen by my modeling period, so this is a list of the only cars that can be on the layout. Now I don’t plan to build every one of these, but the four or five I do plan to build are on this list.

This will also give me other other information then just what details are on the car and which road. By knowing if the car is less than one year old it means it should look close to brand new. Or if it’s one of the LV car built in 1947 it should look like it has been in service for five years.

Lionel and Weaver both make version of this car in O scale. The Lionel car is available with a 6ft, 7ft and 8ft door. The Weaver is only available with an 8ft door. Protocraft makes a number of decals for these cars, I’ve linked the reporting mark (first column) to the decal pages with photos of the cars.

Road Series Qty Built Lot No. Door Type Trucks
LV 62000-62499 500 6-47 5873 7 7P Sup1 S2(SP)
CGW 93001-93500 500 8-47 5875 6 7P Sup1 S2A
BM 74000-74499 500 9-47 5877 7 7P Sup1 A3
MEC 6500-6749 250 10-47 5877 7 7P Sup1 A3
ATSF 276500-276749 250 11-47 5879 6 7P Sup1 A3
NH 34000-34499 500 11-47 5894 7 7P Sup1 A3
NH 33500-33999 500 12-47 5882 7 7P Sup1 A3
KCS 18150-18549 400 12-47 5885 6 7P Sup1 A3
NKP 6600-6999 400 J-48 5887A 7 7P Sup1 A3
C&O 15000-15999 1000 2-48 5886 6 7P Sup1 A3
NKP 6000-6599 600 2-48 5887 7 7P Sup1 A3
Southern 23487-26486 3000 2-48 5896 8 7P Sup1 S2A
KCS 18550-18949 400 3-48 5895 6 7P Sup1 A3*
NYC 167000-167999 1000 3-48 5904 6 7P Sup1 S2A*
SAL 22450-22949 500 4-48 5888 14 7P Sup1 A3
NH 34500-34999 500 4-48 5894 7 7P Sup1 A3
NH 35000-35999 1000 4-48 5907 7 7P Sup1 A3
UP 100000-101599 1600 6-48 5908 6 7P Sup2 S2A
SL-SF 17000-17299 300 7-48 5911 8 7P Sup2 A3
RI 25500-26499 1000 8-48 5919 6 7P Sup2 A3
COPR 4010-4024 15 8-48 5908A 6 7P Sup2 S2A
CNW 86300-88298 1000 9-48 5920 6 7P Sup2 A3
SA 8200-8249 50 9-48 5896A 8 7P Sup1 ANDREWS
SAL 24000-24499 500 10-48 5919B 8 7P Sup2 A3
CMO 39100-39498 200 11-48 5919A 6 7P Sup2 A3
CNW 88300-88382 42 11-48 5919A 6 7P Sup2 A3
COPR 4025-4032 8 11-48 5919A 6 7P Sup2 A3
DSS&A 15000-15099 100 11-48 5919A 6 7P Sup2 A3
P&WV 1300-1399 100 11-48 5919A 6 7P Sup2 A3
DL&W 35000-35199 200 12-48 5936 6 7P Sup2 S2A
Southern 26487-26527 41 12-48 5919A 6 7P Sup2 A3?
Southern 262050-262055 6 12-48 5919A 6 7P Sup2 A3
Southern 307023-307024 2 12-48 5919A 6 7P Sup2 A3?
Southern 330500 only 1 12-48 5919A 6 7P Sup2 A3?
MSC 5000-5099 100 6-49 5942 6 YSD-2 A3
CIL 501-530 30 6-49 5942A 6 YSD-2 A3
CP 269600-269999 400 7-49 5950 6 YSD-2 S2A
LS&BC 1100-1119 20 8-49 5950 6 YSD-2 S2A
CNW 106600-108598 1000 8-49 5955 6 YSD-2 A3
CIL 532 only 1 10-49 5950 6 YSD-2 S2A
MKT 90001-90079 79 10-49 5950 6 YSD-2 S2A
CNW 57400-57898 250 11-49 5957 15 YSD-2 A3
NYC 169750-170499 750 J-50 5965 6 YSD-2
ATSF 31250-31749 500 5-50 5964 6 YSD-2A A3
L&N 16800-17299 500 5-50 5966A 6 YSD-2 A3
L&N 17300-17799 500 6-50 5966B 6 7P Sup3 A3
NYC 169000-169749 750 7-50 5965 6 7P Sup3 A3*
LV 62500-62999 500 9-50 5970 7 7P Sup3 A3
LS&I 2226-2275 50 9-50 5965A 6 7P Sup3 A3
D&H 18400-18899 500 10-50 5973 6 YSD-2 A3*
GBW 700-899 200 11-50 5977 6 7P Sup3 A3
USAX 26021-26120 100 12-50 5980 8 7P Sup3 A3
C&O 16000-16999 1000 12-50 5983 8 YSD-2 A3
L&N 14600-14999 400 J-51 5988 6 YSD-2 A3
NYC 171000-171499 500 J-51 5993 6 7P Sup3
NYC 172000-172499 500 J-51 5997 6 YSD-2
NYC 170500-170999 500 2-51 5993 6 YSD-2 A3*
C&EI 65500-65699 200 2-51 5996 6 7P Sup3 A3
D&H 18900-19399 500 2-51 5998 6 YSD-2 A3*
USAX 26125-26318 194 3-51 8008 8 7P Sup3 A3
BM 75000-75749 750 4-51 5999 7 YSD-2 A3
SAL 24500-24999 500 5-51 5994 8 YSD-2 A3
NYC 171500-171999 500 5-51 5997 6 7P Sup3 A3*
MEC 8000-8249 250 5-51 5999A 7 YSD-2 A3
SL-SF 17300-17799 500 6-51 5995 8 YSD-2 A3
N&W 44000-44499 500 6-51 8002 8 YSD-2 A3*
ACY 700-849 150 6-51 8004 6 YSD-2 A3
CGW 5001-5600 600 6-51 8016 6 YSD-2 S2A
CNW 6200-7398 600 7-51 8007 6 7P Sup3 A3
CNW 7400-10198 1400 7-51 8007 6 YSD-2 A3
USAFX 26319-26323 5 7-51 8044 8 YSD-2 A3
USAFX 26474-26481 8 7-51 8044 8 YSD-2
USAX 26324-26473 150 7-51 8044 8 YSD-2
USMC 173227-173236 10 7-51 8044 8 YSD-2 A3
USN 02455-02463 9 7-51 8044 8 YSD-2 A3
USN 02698-02727 30 7-51 8044 8 YSD-2
C&O 17000-17999 1000 9-51 8017 8 YSD-2 A3
L&N 17800-18399 600 10-51 5988 6 YSD-2 A3
MILW 35000-35041 42 10-51 8025 6 7P Sup3 S2A*
SSW 33950-34049 100 10-51 8026 8 YSD-2 A3
WP 20801-20820 20 10-51 8027 7 YSD-2 A3
WP 20821-21400 580 10-51 8027 7 YSD-2 A3
Southern 30000-30499 500 11-51 8003 9 YSD-2 S2A
Southern 30500-32018 1519 11-51 8003 9 7P Sup3
Southern 262056-262059 4 11-51 8003 8 7P Sup3
Southern 307028 only 1 11-51 8003 8 7P Sup3
Southern 330501 only 1 11-51 8003 8 7P Sup3
RI 21000-21749 750 11-51 8028 6 7P Sup3 S2A
RI 21750-22249 500 11-51 8028 6 YSD-2 S2A
RI 22250-22999 750 12-51 8028 6 7P Sup3 S2A*
L&C 1000-1019 20 1-52 8003 9 7P Sup3 S2A
BS 6700-6749 50 1-52 8009 6 7P Sup3 S2A
CNW 6766 only 1 J-52 8083 6 5P Sup
CNW Various 3 J-52 8083 6 5P Sup
BS 6750-6799 50 2-52 8009 6 PS S2A
NC&StL 22000-22649 650 2-52 8015 6 YSD-2 A3
N&W 44500-44999 500 2-52 8035 8 YSD-2 S2A*
GA 39501-39550 50 3-52 8021 6 YSD-2 A3
WofA 18100-18209 110 3-52 8021 6 YSD-2 A3
SAL 25000-25499 500 3-52 8029 8 YSD-2 A3
L&N 5000-7199 2200 3-52 8039 8 YSD-2 A3
CG 7000-7299 300 4-52 8030 8 YSD-2 S2A
C&O 18000-18499 500 6-52 8037 8 YSD-2 S2A
C&O 18500-18999 500 6-52 8037 8 6P Sup1 S2A
ASX 712-811 100 6-52 8069 6 5P Sup A3
NYC 180000-180499 500 6-52 8036A 6 5P Sup A3
BCK 1000-1499 500 7-52 8038 7 5P Sup A3
FDDM&S 12201-12400 200 7-52 8036B 6 5P Sup A3
CP 268800-269099 300 7-52 8036C 6 5P Sup S2A
LS&I 2400-2489 90 8-52 8047 8 YSD-2 A3
VGN 63100-63399 300 8-52 8048 8 YSD-2 A3/S2B

References:
Ed Hawkins PS-1 list on the Steam Era Freight Car Website
Mainline Modeler Article

Reading EMD Freight Cab Units DF-1, DF-2, DF-4

Reading DF-1 #252 A-B

Reading DF-2 EMD F3 #262

Reading DF-4 EMD F7 #266

 

No. Built RDG Class EMD Class HP Engine House Assignment Photos on this Site Photos Online
250 1/45 DF-1 FTA 1350
250 B 1/45 DF-1 FTB 1350
251 1/45 DF-1 FTA 1350
251 B 1/45 DF-1 FTB 1350
252 1/45 DF-1 FTA 1350
252 B 1/45 DF-1 FTB 1350
253 1/45 DF-1 FTA 1350
253 B 1/45 DF-1 FTB 1350
254 1/45 DF-1 FTA 1350
254 B 1/45 DF-1 FTB 1350
255 1/45 DF-1 FTA 1350
255 B 1/45 DF-1 FTB 1350
256 2/45 DF-1 FTA 1350
256 B 2/45 DF-1 FTB 1350
257 2/45 DF-1 FTA 1350
257 B 2/45 DF-1 FTB 1350
258 2/45 DF-1 FTA 1350 FF, FF, FF,
258 B 2/45 DF-1 FTB 1350
259 2/45 DF-1 FTA 1350 FF,
259 B 2/45 DF-1 FTB 1350
260 11/48 DF-2 F3A 1500 FF,
260 B 11/48 DF-2 F3B 1500
261 11/48 DF-2 F3A 1500 FF,
261 B 11/48 DF-2 F3B 1500
262 11/48 DF-2 F3A 1500
262 B 11/48 DF-2 F3B 1500
263 11/48 DF-2 F3A 1500 FF,
263 B 11/48 DF-2 F3B 1500
264 11/48 DF-2 F3A 1500 FF,
264 B 11/48 DF-2 F3B 1500
265 11/48 DF-2 F3A 1500
265 B 11/48 DF-2 F3B 1500
266 3/50 DF-4 F7A 1500
266 B 3/50 DF-4 F7B 1500
267 3/50 DF-4 F7A 1500
267 B 3/50 DF-4 F7B 1500
268 3/50 DF-4 F7A 1500
268 B 3/50 DF-4 F7B 1500
269 3/50 DF-4 F7A 1500 FF,
269 B 3/50 DF-4 F7B 1500
270 3/50 DF-4 F7A 1500 FF,
270 B 3/50 DF-4 F7B 1500
271 3/50 DF-4 F7A 1500 FF,
271 B 3/50 DF-4 F7B 1500
272 3/50 DF-4 F7A 1500 NB FF,
273 3/50 DF-4 F7A 1500 NB FF,
274 3/50 DF-4 F7A 1500 FF,
275 3/50 DF-4 F7A 1500 FF,
276 3/50 DF-4 F7B 1500 FF,
277 3/50 DF-4 F7A 1500 FF,
278 3/50 DF-4 F7B 1500
279 3/50 DF-4 F7A 1500
280 3/50 DF-4 F7B 1500 FF,
281 3/50 DF-4 F7A 1500 NB FF,
282 3/50 DF-4 F7B 1500
283 3/50 DF-4 F7A 1500
284 3/50 DF-4 F7B 1500

References:
Diesel Era – 1998 March/April – Reading’s First-Generation Diesels by by Paul K. Withers
FD&S – Vol. 12, No. 2 – Reading’s DF-2: TThe EMD F3 by Richard W. Jahn
Reading Diesels Volume 1 The First Generation – by Dale Woodland
The Revolutionary Diesel EMC’s FT – by Diesel ERA
Photograph’s from George Losse Collection either scaned from negatives or prints.

Hidding in the Background

PRR B6sb 721 in Camden 1953
PRR B6sb 721 in Camden 1953

Here is a nice photograph of PRR 721 switching in Camden, NJ in 1953. The Campbell Soup Building is in the background with it’s signature soup can water towers.

Also in the background is a PRR H21a, just a normal run-of-the-mill H21a, only it’s not. If you look closely you can see that the car has been spot re-painted. This was one of the cars that were leased to the N&W and now has returned to the PRR.

This Photo was also published in the Morning Sun Book – Pennsy Steam Years 1