WB: Finally Some Progress

This week I was finally able to get some Dull Coat sprayed on some recent work. Amazing how wet is has been around here when I have had time to work on these cars.

Remember that car that followed me home from the Strasburg Show? well it has been taking a bath.

The Black and the decals came off quickly. But there was a layer of red primer on this cars that was rather stubborn.

But it slowly coming off. The car is cleaning up nicely.

On the possibility of finding an elusive Locomotive Workshop CNJ Double Ender Kit that I mentioned before. The gentleman has located the kit, put a price on it and has agreed to sell it. He wants to hand deliver the kit to me at an upcoming show. I can do that. One step closer.

RY Models NEW 50-ton PRR 2D-F8 Truck

RY Models New PRR 2D-F8 50 ton truck - Side View

RY Models New PRR 2D-F8 50 ton truck – Side View

RY Models New PRR 2D-F8 50 ton truck -  Top View

RY Models New PRR 2D-F8 50 ton truck – Top View

Imported By: RY Models
MSRP 04/2013 $48.00/pr.

Description:
The PRR’s 2D-F8 50 ton truck began production in the 1920’s. It was placed under many of the road’s signature freight cars like the FM, GLa, and X29. PRR documents have the truck listed on the following classes: FM, GLa, GLb, GLc, GLe, GLf, GLg, GP, GPa, GR, GRa, GS, GSa, GSc, GSd, H22, K7, K8, U6, XL, XLa, XLc, X23, X23a, X23b, X24, X25, X25a, X25b, X25c, X25d, X28a, X29, X29a, X30.

Diagram of the 2D-F8

The truck design did evolve over the years, the original design from the 1920’s had a riveted bolster. As casting improved in the 1930’s this was replaced with a cast bolster on new trucks. I have not seen any numbers for how many of each existed, or if the cast bolster was used as a replacement for the riveted bolster. Only that 2D-F8 trucks produced later in the 1930’s used a cast bolster. The trucks lasted in revenue service for more than fifty years.

PRR 2D-F8 50 ton truck photo from the RY Models website

PRR 2D-F8 50 ton truck photo from the RY Models website

The Proto48/O scale market has been asking for the PRR 2D-F8 trucks for a very long time. Other manufactures have promised to produce the 2D-F8 for a long time and nothing is on the market. I remember seeing early test shots from one manufacturer over 10 years ago. They still have not released a product to the public.

RY Models did produce the truck and the Proto48/O Scale market responded by selling out the first run of the trucks. If you didn’t pre-order you most likely missed this one.

The RY Models truck has is of the original riveted bolster. It scales very close to the PRR diagrams. The trucks have full brake detail.

The trucks were available from RY Models for $48.00 per pair. They are taking reservations for the next run of trucks.

RY Models New PRR 2D-F8 50 ton truck

RY Models New PRR 2D-F8 50 ton truck

NMRA Proto48 Specification:
I measured the trucks and find that they are within NMRA spec. Here are the measurements and I’ve added their measurements to the NMRA S-4.1 Proto48 Wheel Standards

Check Gauge Back to Back Wheel Width Flange Width Flange Depth
Specification Range 1.124
1.134
1.100
1.112
0.115
0.120
0.024
0.028
0.022
0.026
RY Models
50-ton PRR 2D-F8

double insulated axles
1.131 1.110 0.115 0.027 0.025

Plus and Minus… Opinions:

On the plus-side:

  • The biggest PLUS I can say about the RY Models 2D-F8 trucks is that they are here!

    And I am placing them under my freight cars TODAY!

  • The trucks measured up fine against the NMRA Specification.
  • To say they roll well is a bit of an understatement. They gave me fits when trying to photograph them.
  • The trucks do look very nice, they capture the look of the prototype based on the photos and drawings I’ve seen.

On the minus-side:

  • An issue with most RY Models trucks is that they do not have any casting information on the side frames. I’ve mentioned this before.
  • The plastic insulators between the axle and the wheel are a little large sticking out the back of the wheels. (I plan to trim mine a little)

Overall: The minuses have not held me back from purchasing these trucks. I look forward to their use under my PRR freight cars for many years to come.

I’m very glad to see more new freight car trucks on the Proto48/O scale market.

 

RY Models – USRA design 70-ton Triple Hopper

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RY Models New USRA design 70-ton triple hopper

Imported By: RY Models
MSRP 12/2012: $326.00

Prototype History
Most modelers are familiar with the USRA 55-ton Twin open hopper. In O scale we have been blessed with the Intermountain USRA Twin as well as a number of brass versions  over the years. What is not well known is that the USRA developed some designs for freight cars that were never built during the period of their control of the railroads, but some designs were built from afterwards. One example would be the NYC USRA designed Steel boxcar, another would be the 42′ Flat car that Red Caboose modeled.

RY Models has produced one of those USRA non-built designs, the USRA 70-ton triple.

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Standard Steel Car Company builders photo

 

Between 1922 and 1927, the C&O, New York Central, P&LE, PMcK&Y and Virginian Railroads adopted the USRA design and had cars built by Standard Steel Car Company (SSC), Pressed Steel Car Company (PSC), Richmond Car Works (RCW) and the American Car and Foundry Company (AC&F).

As built, the cars had a shallow center hopper, often referred to as a “clamshell” hopper. The cars went through different changes during their service life. Some of those changes included C&O cars being rebuilt with panel sides to try to increase the cubic capacity of the cars, some were rebuilt into covered hopper cars and all had their center “clamshell” hopper replaced with a regular saw-tooth hopper between 1939-1942.

Photos show different trucks under the cars, C&O were delivered with a 70-ton USRA style Andrews. The NYC and P&LE cars have been photographed with Keystone Trucks and also Verona trucks.

The C&O cars were built with a heap shields on the ends of the cars. There is an article on these cars with an as-built drawing of the cars in the July 2004 issue of Mainline modeler. The C&O rebuilt their cars starting in 1932 with panel sides.  When completed the newly-rebuilt cars received a “1” was added in front of the original number to create a new number series. The cars were later rebuilt back to straight sides in later rebuilds.

The C&O rebuilt a total of 125 of the cars into covered hopper cars in 1938-1939. There is an article in Mainline Modeler October 2004 with drawings and very nice photographs of the cars as rebuilt and in service. There is also a pair of nice images of the open hoppers in this article.

The NYC, P&LE and PMcK&Y cars had their center hopper rebuilt over a period from 1939-1942. As they did their cubic capacity increased from 2508 to 2518. While that is not a big increase, it does give us a piece of data that can be tracked in the ORER’s so that we have an idea of the progress of the conversions. The cars were later rebuilt with AB Brakes.

A pair of N1's shove on a USRA triple approaching Tamaqua Tunnel.

A pair of N1’s shove on a NYC USRA triple approaching Tamaqua Tunnel.

The Virginian cars went through some changes also. From 1924-1937 they were as-built with a clamshell middle hopper, K brakes and a vertical brake wheel and staff. From 1937-1947 they had their center hopper rebuilt, they kept their K brakes but the verticle brake staff was replaced with a power brake housing. From 1947-1959 they were rebuilt into their final configuration with AB Brakes.  The Tennessee Central purchased 24 cars that had been retired from the Virginian.

NYC 915709 - photo from RY Models Website

NYC 915709 with Keystone trucks – photo from RY Models Website

 

Roster of USRA 70 Ton Triple Hoppers Built

Road Year Qty Builder Class Road Numbers Re-Numbered
C&O
1927 900
RCW
H7-8
70000-70899
C&O
1927 250
RCW
H7-9
70900-71149
C&O
1927 250
AC&F
H7-9
71150-71399
HV
1923 1000
AC&F
H7-14
13000-13999
C&O 73000-73999
HV
1924 1000
SSC
H7-14
14000-14999
C&O 74000-74999
HV
1923 1000
SSC
H7-6
15000-15999
C&O 75000-75999
HV
1923 1000
AC&F
H7-6
16000-16999
C&O 76000-76999
NYC
1923 1500
SSC
466-H
425000-426499
908000-909499
NYC
1923 500
PSC
467-H
426500-426999
909500-909999
NYC
1924 5000
SSC
488-H
427000-431999
911000-915999
NYC
1924 1500
PSC
496-H
432000-433499
917000-918499
NYC
1925 500
SSC
499-H
433500-433999
918500-918999
P&LE
1922 1500
SSC
436-H
66000-67499
P&LE
1923 300
PSC
476-H
67500-67799
P&LE
1924 1000
PSC
495-H
56000-56999
P&LE
1925 500
PSC
525-H
57500-57999
PMcK&Y
1922 1500
PSC
435-H
53000-54499
VGN
1924 500
SSC
H-5
7000-7499

 

The Models
Since the NYC was a major interchange partner with the Reading Company at Newberry Yard in Williamsport, PA, I was excited when RY Models first announced they were going to produce the USRA 70-ton triple hopper. The January 1952 ORER lists a total of 33,936 open hopper cars on the NYC. Of those, 8846 (26%) were the USRA 70-ton triple. P&LE had 6255 cars listed and 3246 were the USRA triples or should we say, 51.9% of the total hopper cars on the roster. That being said, I needed some for the layout.

RY Models showed a pair of painted pilot models at last year’s O Scale National. I thought they looked nice then, I was pleased with the final results of the production run.

The cars came painted and lettered. The paint is nice and the lettering looks good. My models had the correct NYC lot numbers for the car numbers.

When I measured the models and checked them against the published drawings for these cars. They were spot on.

I’m modeling in1952 so, I bought all later cars with AB Brakes. I did have a question because the as-built versions should have two cross members inside the cars towards the ends. My later cars did not, but I could not locate any interior shots of the cars to know if the prototype had them later or not.

I am very pleased with my NYC and P&LE cars. Now they need some weathering.

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References
Mainline Modeler, July 2004, October 2004, August 1988 (panel side rebuild drawing)
Information Sheet by Larry Klien on the NYC, P&LE and PMcK&Y cars
Information Sheet by Steve Summers on the Virginian H-5
Online listing of NYC Classes

RY Models NEW 70-ton Keystone Truck

RY Models New 70 ton Keystone truck – Side View.

RY Models New Keystone truck.

RY Models New 70 ton Keystone truck – End View.

Imported By: RY Models
MSRP 12/2012 $42.00/pr.

Description:
With the release of the USRA 70 Ton Triples from RY Models, Rich also introduced a new Proto48/O Scale truck. The Keystone 70-ton pedestal-type side frames truck, which was built by American Steel Foundries (A.S.F.). They appear in photographs of the of The USRA cars throughout most of their lives.

The new truck was produced in Proto48 and O Scale and is available on the new USRA 70 ton cars and as a seperate item. The trucks are available from RY Models for $42.00 per pair. http://www.richyodermodels.com/rym-o-scale-trucks.htm

I received these trucks under my hopper cars and also purchased a couple of pairs to go under a pair of cars I have been kit-bashing from the IM USRA Twins which will rerepresent the spot-repaired cars the NYC rostered later in their service lives. 

NYC 915709 - photo from RY Models Website

NYC 915709 – photo from RY Models Website

The photo shows an NYC triple after being rebuilt with a center saw-tooth hopper and you can clearly see the Keystone Truck under the car. The website also shows them under C&O, P&LE, PMcK&Y and Virginian hoppers.

NMRA Proto48 Specification:
I measured the trucks and find that they are within NMRA spec. Here are the measurements and I’ve added their measurements to the NMRA S-4.1 Proto48 Wheel Standards

  Check Gauge Back to Back Wheel Width Flange Width Flange Depth
Specification Range 1.124
1.134
1.100
1.112
0.115
0.120
0.024
0.028
0.022
0.026
RY Models 70 ton Keystone truck

double insulated axles

1.132 1.104 0.115 0.026 0.023

Plus and Minus… Opinions:
On the plus-side: The trucks measured up fine against the NMRA Specification and the track fine under the cars. The trucks do look very nice, they capture the look of the prototype based on the photo I’ve seen.

On the minus-side: They do look slightly compressed (width wise) at the spring area, the photos show a wider three spring front face, as typical with 70 ton trucks of the time. The model has the center spring slightly recessed, almost like the difference between a 70-ton and a 50-ton truck.  

Another issue with most RY Models trucks is that they do not have any casting information on the side frames. You know, the cool looking letters on the side frames that in O scale you can actually read. But being able to read them is part of the problem also, what should it say? I know Rich has wanted to model this information in the past and has reached out to a number of freight car experts seeking out this information with varied success. I know first-hand that rather than guess or put the wrong information there he has chosen to not include it.

Overall: The minuses have not held me back from purchasing these trucks. I look forward to their use under my hopper cars for many years to come.

I’m very glad to see a new freight car truck on the Proto48/O scale market.